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	<title>Comments on: [Greta Christina] Sexual Freedom in a Shopping Bag: &#8220;Sex and the City&#8221;</title>
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		<title>by: Sexual Freedom in a Shopping Bag &#171; Clever Rationalizations</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Joreth</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-23663</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was not impressed with the movie and I consider myself a fan of the show.

Here's the thing, the women all treat their men horribly.  They're incurably neurotic and hopelessly fucked up.  I spent most of my time yelling at them to get over themselves.

But they're a glimpse into what the rest of our society is ... or at least wants to be.

I find the show valuable because it gives me topics to discuss and a vehicle to introduce these topics to mainstream America.  It's a tool to illustrate the fucked-up-edness of our society.

The characters are all archetypal characters.  Everyone can relate to one or more of them, whether we share their attitudes about sex or not.  Especially if anyone has ever done research on MBTI or other personality studies.  So I can use the characters to make a point to someone in a manner they can relate to.  

The show does bring up "cutting edge" topics, even if its conclusions are that these "cutting edge topics" should be avoided.  But I can use the show to discuss them and still come to my own conclusions.

For example, Samantha's situation in the movie is PERFECT for bringing up the subject of non-monogamy in a discussion.  Miranda's situation is PERFECT for the point you made above about withholding sex and expecting equal celibacy being problematic.  I was also pissed at Carrie for not hiring the guy in the heels, and that's PERFECT for exploring stereotypes and discrimination in our society and our workplace.

So, yes, all of the characters are contemptible and the movie was even less "cutting edge" than the show (I always wished for a supporting or minor-but-recurring poly character who actually had *healthy*, functional, long-term relationships among her various "friends" that ended up as subjects for her articles).  But the show and the movie is such a wonderful tool for introducing topics into discussion and debate with mainstream people.  And I find it extremely valuable for that.  I have some articles about individual episodes in my livejournal under the tag "Media Reflections".

~Joreth
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not impressed with the movie and I consider myself a fan of the show.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, the women all treat their men horribly.  They&#8217;re incurably neurotic and hopelessly fucked up.  I spent most of my time yelling at them to get over themselves.</p>
<p>But they&#8217;re a glimpse into what the rest of our society is &#8230; or at least wants to be.</p>
<p>I find the show valuable because it gives me topics to discuss and a vehicle to introduce these topics to mainstream America.  It&#8217;s a tool to illustrate the fucked-up-edness of our society.</p>
<p>The characters are all archetypal characters.  Everyone can relate to one or more of them, whether we share their attitudes about sex or not.  Especially if anyone has ever done research on MBTI or other personality studies.  So I can use the characters to make a point to someone in a manner they can relate to.  </p>
<p>The show does bring up &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; topics, even if its conclusions are that these &#8220;cutting edge topics&#8221; should be avoided.  But I can use the show to discuss them and still come to my own conclusions.</p>
<p>For example, Samantha&#8217;s situation in the movie is PERFECT for bringing up the subject of non-monogamy in a discussion.  Miranda&#8217;s situation is PERFECT for the point you made above about withholding sex and expecting equal celibacy being problematic.  I was also pissed at Carrie for not hiring the guy in the heels, and that&#8217;s PERFECT for exploring stereotypes and discrimination in our society and our workplace.</p>
<p>So, yes, all of the characters are contemptible and the movie was even less &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; than the show (I always wished for a supporting or minor-but-recurring poly character who actually had *healthy*, functional, long-term relationships among her various &#8220;friends&#8221; that ended up as subjects for her articles).  But the show and the movie is such a wonderful tool for introducing topics into discussion and debate with mainstream people.  And I find it extremely valuable for that.  I have some articles about individual episodes in my livejournal under the tag &#8220;Media Reflections&#8221;.</p>
<p>~Joreth<br />
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		<title>by: The Countess</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-19408</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My husband is a regular reader of your blog, and he told me about this post. He knows how much I disliked the TV show "Sex and the City", and he knew I'd like your review.

I saw a couple of episodes of the show a few years ago, and I couldn't stomach it. The thing that stood out for me was the commercialism. When I hear about the show now, mostly I hear about how it introduced many American women to the Rabbit vibrator. I first saw the Rabbit in the movie "Better Than Chocolate", which in my view was a much better introduction.

The other thing that bothered me was that these were financially comfortable women in good careers, yet all they did was shop and moan about men. There's nothing sexually progressive about that at all. 

I liked the book better than the TV show. The book at least had bite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is a regular reader of your blog, and he told me about this post. He knows how much I disliked the TV show &#8220;Sex and the City&#8221;, and he knew I&#8217;d like your review.</p>
<p>I saw a couple of episodes of the show a few years ago, and I couldn&#8217;t stomach it. The thing that stood out for me was the commercialism. When I hear about the show now, mostly I hear about how it introduced many American women to the Rabbit vibrator. I first saw the Rabbit in the movie &#8220;Better Than Chocolate&#8221;, which in my view was a much better introduction.</p>
<p>The other thing that bothered me was that these were financially comfortable women in good careers, yet all they did was shop and moan about men. There&#8217;s nothing sexually progressive about that at all. </p>
<p>I liked the book better than the TV show. The book at least had bite.
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		<title>by: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-19171</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"And if I’d mentioned everything about this movie, sexual or otherwise, that drove me up a tree, it’d be a novel."

A novel I would read!  :-)

I saw a few episodes of the TV show, several years ago now, when a couple friends of mine had become addicted to it.  (For the record, he was one of the most thoroughly heterosexual men I have ever met, and she was his gorgeous girlfriend.)  Part of the fun was giving it the &lt;i&gt;Mystery Science Theater&lt;/i&gt; treatment, or just complaining to each other about the crass ineptitude of the whole shebang.  "Oh, I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; how so-and-so has this big problem in this episode which he never exhibits before or after!"  Still, after two or three episodes, even the MST-ing wasn't enough for me, and I stopped caring.

In the end, I suppose, if it's not a cartoon I'm not going to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if I’d mentioned everything about this movie, sexual or otherwise, that drove me up a tree, it’d be a novel.&#8221;</p>
<p>A novel I would read!  :-)</p>
<p>I saw a few episodes of the TV show, several years ago now, when a couple friends of mine had become addicted to it.  (For the record, he was one of the most thoroughly heterosexual men I have ever met, and she was his gorgeous girlfriend.)  Part of the fun was giving it the <i>Mystery Science Theater</i> treatment, or just complaining to each other about the crass ineptitude of the whole shebang.  &#8220;Oh, I <i>love</i> how so-and-so has this big problem in this episode which he never exhibits before or after!&#8221;  Still, after two or three episodes, even the MST-ing wasn&#8217;t enough for me, and I stopped caring.</p>
<p>In the end, I suppose, if it&#8217;s not a cartoon I&#8217;m not going to watch.
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		<title>by: Rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-18775</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For what it's worth, &lt;a href="http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/i-feel-a-really-bitchy-post-coming-on.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Violet Blue&lt;/a&gt; didn't care for this one either. Turns out the characters' attitudes about sex are shared by the actors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, <a href="http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/i-feel-a-really-bitchy-post-coming-on.html" rel="nofollow">Violet Blue</a> didn&#8217;t care for this one either. Turns out the characters&#8217; attitudes about sex are shared by the actors.
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		<title>by: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-18761</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Let me just say that I agree with you on all counts regarding the movie's pretentiousness  and faux-modern mindset.  But I think in some capacity it's relative.  Most people in this country are still stuck with Puritan holdover attitudes about sex, and in a lot of ways, this movie is progressive to them.  I'm not saying that's right, but this show was such a huge mainstream success that they had to cater to the least common denominator.  Namely, people like my parents, who grew up in the 50's and, maybe I'm being naive here, but I would venture, have never even considered food with sex.  So yes, it does pretend it's cutting edge and it's not, but for a good number of people in America, sadly, it IS cutting edge in their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just say that I agree with you on all counts regarding the movie&#8217;s pretentiousness  and faux-modern mindset.  But I think in some capacity it&#8217;s relative.  Most people in this country are still stuck with Puritan holdover attitudes about sex, and in a lot of ways, this movie is progressive to them.  I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s right, but this show was such a huge mainstream success that they had to cater to the least common denominator.  Namely, people like my parents, who grew up in the 50&#8217;s and, maybe I&#8217;m being naive here, but I would venture, have never even considered food with sex.  So yes, it does pretend it&#8217;s cutting edge and it&#8217;s not, but for a good number of people in America, sadly, it IS cutting edge in their minds.
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		<title>by: j</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>to be honest, when i first saw that show at 18 i watched the screen with wide-eyed shock through every episode.  sure i was young, but im just saying all those things really are still sexually transgressive for a lot of people! maybe even most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be honest, when i first saw that show at 18 i watched the screen with wide-eyed shock through every episode.  sure i was young, but im just saying all those things really are still sexually transgressive for a lot of people! maybe even most people.
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		<title>by: Greta Christina</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am totally with you, Susie. That bugged me too. I just didn't have space to talk about it here. Believe me, if I'd mentioned everything in this movie about sex that drove me up a tree, it'd be a 5,000 word movie review. (And if I'd mentioned everything about this movie, sexual or otherwise, that drove me up a tree, it'd be a novel.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally with you, Susie. That bugged me too. I just didn&#8217;t have space to talk about it here. Believe me, if I&#8217;d mentioned everything in this movie about sex that drove me up a tree, it&#8217;d be a 5,000 word movie review. (And if I&#8217;d mentioned everything about this movie, sexual or otherwise, that drove me up a tree, it&#8217;d be a novel.)
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		<title>by: Susie Bright</title>
		<link>http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/greta-christina-sexual-freedom-in-a-shopping-bag-sex-and-the-city/704#comment-18527</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, as long as we're doing down the list, what about the PUBIC HAIR bullshit. The big moment of sexual revulsion in the movie is when three of the "friends" condemn Miranda for not shaving her thighs and pulling every hair out of her nether regions. It's a sign that she has GIVEN UP on sex and making herself the remotest bit attractive. And that waxing, of all things, is the road to recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as long as we&#8217;re doing down the list, what about the PUBIC HAIR bullshit. The big moment of sexual revulsion in the movie is when three of the &#8220;friends&#8221; condemn Miranda for not shaving her thighs and pulling every hair out of her nether regions. It&#8217;s a sign that she has GIVEN UP on sex and making herself the remotest bit attractive. And that waxing, of all things, is the road to recovery.
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